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	<title>Comments on: ZERO Tolerance from Minnu Palen!</title>
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		<title>By: Greenback</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondstyle.com/2008/08/zero-tolerance-from-minnu-palen.html/comment-page-1#comment-62433</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Minnu Palen is well known for her amazing skins. She has also been known lately due to some unsavory and undeserved drama. I wonâ€™t get into that, but I do want to praise her for being strong and keeping her head up high! &quot;

Lol- are you kidding me Rhi!!
If you followed the whole saga, Minnu Palen was dishonest from start to finish. She fed the entire a community a list of stories before finally admitting to the use of Danae&#039;s artwork.

Pompo -you need to do some research matey!. There are websites where you can legally buy material for skin development in SL. The EULA at Renderosity.com of which Danae is a member of only allows her work to be rendered in 3D modelling enviroment like Poser and not for replication in SL and sold commercially. That&#039;s the big difference. A lot of the top Skin creators buy their source material 3dsk.com. The licenses permits the purchaser to use those sources material in SL, Minnu&#039;s did not!

Minnu gave us the spiel that her skins were from photographs from her own body -rofl! That was the very 1st lie, then it escalated into more lies.

Did you really think Minnu would ever give up and disappear? lol. Within eastern europe the power of the &quot;Greenback&quot; is all too consuming! Greed springs to mind.

As for the Zero skins themselves! To be honest they&#039;re nothing exceptional. No better no worst than what already exists within SL. You&#039;ll see better make-up elsewhere and the body details including your raved collarbones are par for the course from any top line skin creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Minnu Palen is well known for her amazing skins. She has also been known lately due to some unsavory and undeserved drama. I wonâ€™t get into that, but I do want to praise her for being strong and keeping her head up high! &#8221;</p>
<p>Lol- are you kidding me Rhi!!<br />
If you followed the whole saga, Minnu Palen was dishonest from start to finish. She fed the entire a community a list of stories before finally admitting to the use of Danae&#8217;s artwork.</p>
<p>Pompo -you need to do some research matey!. There are websites where you can legally buy material for skin development in SL. The EULA at Renderosity.com of which Danae is a member of only allows her work to be rendered in 3D modelling enviroment like Poser and not for replication in SL and sold commercially. That&#8217;s the big difference. A lot of the top Skin creators buy their source material 3dsk.com. The licenses permits the purchaser to use those sources material in SL, Minnu&#8217;s did not!</p>
<p>Minnu gave us the spiel that her skins were from photographs from her own body -rofl! That was the very 1st lie, then it escalated into more lies.</p>
<p>Did you really think Minnu would ever give up and disappear? lol. Within eastern europe the power of the &#8220;Greenback&#8221; is all too consuming! Greed springs to mind.</p>
<p>As for the Zero skins themselves! To be honest they&#8217;re nothing exceptional. No better no worst than what already exists within SL. You&#8217;ll see better make-up elsewhere and the body details including your raved collarbones are par for the course from any top line skin creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all..

She stoled that woman&#039;s work, even after the woman clearly states on her &quot;read me&quot; file that its copyrighted, she still went on and copy and pasted the woman&#039;s hard work into the template. 

I think the person who wrote this should be extremely ashamed for promoting her store, she is a thief and should be treated like one..

You just can&#039;t attack people who steal stuff and cover your eyes when its your favorite store who is doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all..</p>
<p>She stoled that woman&#8217;s work, even after the woman clearly states on her &#8220;read me&#8221; file that its copyrighted, she still went on and copy and pasted the woman&#8217;s hard work into the template. </p>
<p>I think the person who wrote this should be extremely ashamed for promoting her store, she is a thief and should be treated like one..</p>
<p>You just can&#8217;t attack people who steal stuff and cover your eyes when its your favorite store who is doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pompo Bombacci</title>
		<link>http://blog.secondstyle.com/2008/08/zero-tolerance-from-minnu-palen.html/comment-page-1#comment-62420</link>
		<dc:creator>Pompo Bombacci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a bunch of  3d sites on the internet  where you can legally purchase source files of skins used for other media/software....is this immoral or dishonest in any way? 

To what degree a designer can buy files and modify them to be considered an original creator? There are sites where they sell photographs of naked bodies for artists...Are skin designers allowed to do that if  they choose the photo realistic route, or  they can only shoot their own pics?

What about clothes designers? Are they dishonest if they purchase fabric textures from 3d sites and design their creations using the bought &quot;fabric textures&quot;?

I don&#039;t really think there are that many skin designers that start completely from scratch ...Do you?

I think a Poll would be great here Celebrity :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a bunch of  3d sites on the internet  where you can legally purchase source files of skins used for other media/software&#8230;.is this immoral or dishonest in any way? </p>
<p>To what degree a designer can buy files and modify them to be considered an original creator? There are sites where they sell photographs of naked bodies for artists&#8230;Are skin designers allowed to do that if  they choose the photo realistic route, or  they can only shoot their own pics?</p>
<p>What about clothes designers? Are they dishonest if they purchase fabric textures from 3d sites and design their creations using the bought &#8220;fabric textures&#8221;?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think there are that many skin designers that start completely from scratch &#8230;Do you?</p>
<p>I think a Poll would be great here Celebrity <img src='http://blog.secondstyle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rhi Rossini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhi Rossini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, I did use the brows and the bellybutton, but I was within the license that I bought. Now I totally understand that Danae thought she was protected by the same license but I thought the same by reading it.&quot;

&quot;...I&#039;d like to say there is no legal action being taken against me whatsoever. I was not obligated to take Gen 4 off the market at all. That was my own free will. I was never contaced by Lindens or Danae or her laywers after that...&quot;
~Minnu Palen

What do you mean by &quot;the Gen4 Customers who will never ever get their money back?&quot; Were they forced to return their skins to Minnu? I don&#039;t get it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, I did use the brows and the bellybutton, but I was within the license that I bought. Now I totally understand that Danae thought she was protected by the same license but I thought the same by reading it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I&#8217;d like to say there is no legal action being taken against me whatsoever. I was not obligated to take Gen 4 off the market at all. That was my own free will. I was never contaced by Lindens or Danae or her laywers after that&#8230;&#8221;<br />
~Minnu Palen</p>
<p>What do you mean by &#8220;the Gen4 Customers who will never ever get their money back?&#8221; Were they forced to return their skins to Minnu? I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Linnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I have to agree with Morph on this one.  I was a huge fan of Minnu and purchased at least 15 of her skins which I will not wear now, nor will I ever purchase one of her Zero skins or anything else she makes.  There are so many other really good and much more deserving skin makers out there. It saddens me that their talent often goes unrecognized while the denizens of Minnuians continue to blog her over and over.  I just don&#039;t get it.  The Zero skins have white under the eyes, the skin faces don&#039;t match the bodies at all -- they&#039;re not even good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I have to agree with Morph on this one.  I was a huge fan of Minnu and purchased at least 15 of her skins which I will not wear now, nor will I ever purchase one of her Zero skins or anything else she makes.  There are so many other really good and much more deserving skin makers out there. It saddens me that their talent often goes unrecognized while the denizens of Minnuians continue to blog her over and over.  I just don&#8217;t get it.  The Zero skins have white under the eyes, the skin faces don&#8217;t match the bodies at all &#8212; they&#8217;re not even good.</p>
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		<title>By: Morph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undeserved drama?

This is what you call it when people care about content theft and copycats? Are you serious? Is this what you think about talking about IP rights which do not only exist inside Second Life?

Don&#039;t you care about all the Gen4 Customers who will never ever get their money back? Don&#039;t you care about reaching clarification?


&quot;I (Minnu Palen) did use rendered pictures of the purchased textures&quot; - &quot;Items sourced and in question are the light brown eyebrows, lips and belly button&quot; - Minnu Palen


You won&#039;t get into that but you want to praise Minnu for keeping her head up high? Are you serious?

&quot;I believe that copycats need to be exposed and can use some bad press just so that they understand that they can not get away with it just because this is Second Life. Reputation is everything in Second life and supporters of copycats should go down with them.&quot; - Maddox DuPont</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undeserved drama?</p>
<p>This is what you call it when people care about content theft and copycats? Are you serious? Is this what you think about talking about IP rights which do not only exist inside Second Life?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you care about all the Gen4 Customers who will never ever get their money back? Don&#8217;t you care about reaching clarification?</p>
<p>&#8220;I (Minnu Palen) did use rendered pictures of the purchased textures&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;Items sourced and in question are the light brown eyebrows, lips and belly button&#8221; &#8211; Minnu Palen</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t get into that but you want to praise Minnu for keeping her head up high? Are you serious?</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that copycats need to be exposed and can use some bad press just so that they understand that they can not get away with it just because this is Second Life. Reputation is everything in Second life and supporters of copycats should go down with them.&#8221; &#8211; Maddox DuPont</p>
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