Comments on: Risen From the Ashes http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html Clothes, and shoes, and hair, oh my! Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:40:34 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Shopping Cart Disco http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-38128 Shopping Cart Disco Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:12:35 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-38128 [...] Posted by: Charron Marseille on February 27th, 2007 at 1:22 am [...] [...] Posted by: Charron Marseille on February 27th, 2007 at 1:22 am [...]

]]> By: Mark C http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-34987 Mark C Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:38:47 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-34987 You people are mostly idiots. Get lives. Your jealousy is pretty obvious. You people are mostly idiots. Get lives. Your jealousy is pretty obvious.

]]> By: Copying vs. Interpretation : Reel Expression http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-14861 Copying vs. Interpretation : Reel Expression Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:33:30 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-14861 [...] this weekend, Second Style posted this post commending the “fabulous” Paper Couture and their “interpretation” of a gown directly [...]

]]> By: green http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-12566 green Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:12:56 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-12566 Would anyone care that they reproduce couture designs if they actually admitted to it? Personally, I wouldn't. Someone commented above that they showed sketches of these designs on their blog. I went and checked it out and i have to admit it does appear a bit misleading to show sketches of dresses you did not design, as if to give the impression you did design them. Why bother sketching them if the designs already existed? I think the PC girls are trying to pass off the work as their own, which in my book, is quite shady. If instead they advertised their work as couture reproductions, I am not sure anyone would care. I think that is the real issue here, not that they did it, but that they tried to pass it off as though they did not do it. Would anyone care that they reproduce couture designs if they actually admitted to it? Personally, I wouldn’t. Someone commented above that they showed sketches of these designs on their blog. I went and checked it out and i have to admit it does appear a bit misleading to show sketches of dresses you did not design, as if to give the impression you did design them. Why bother sketching them if the designs already existed? I think the PC girls are trying to pass off the work as their own, which in my book, is quite shady. If instead they advertised their work as couture reproductions, I am not sure anyone would care. I think that is the real issue here, not that they did it, but that they tried to pass it off as though they did not do it.

]]> By: pearlie http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-12520 pearlie Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:21:11 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-12520 i happened to notice this when paper couture came out with their very first clothing..it is kind of a shame that so many of their clothings are very close copys to real runway creations. like the shampoo dress..chanel 06-07. just colored pink. its very nice that they have the talent to recreate these dresses in second life, and they did an awesome job at it. however i would not call many clothing makers in second life "designers". it is simply not an appropriate word considering a lot of clothing in second life is not really personally designed, but mostly inspired from actual designers. most things the clothiers in second life spit out doesnt even match together like a collection would, so i have to question how many actual fashion designers are there in second life? i happened to notice this when paper couture came out with their very first clothing..it is kind of a shame that so many of their clothings are very close copys to real runway creations. like the shampoo dress..chanel 06-07. just colored pink.

its very nice that they have the talent to recreate these dresses in second life, and they did an awesome job at it.

however i would not call many clothing makers in second life “designers”. it is simply not an appropriate word considering a lot of clothing in second life is not really personally designed, but mostly inspired from actual designers. most things the clothiers in second life spit out doesnt even match together like a collection would, so i have to question how many actual fashion designers are there in second life?

]]> By: Kitty Paperdoll http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-11403 Kitty Paperdoll Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:30:20 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-11403 I don't really care if they are breaking the law or not by recreating someone else's design. The chances of any of the big name designers they've ripped off caring one bit is nil. However, much like the guy selling knock off purses out of the back of his car, It did take some skill to manufacture the bags, you may not care that he is doing it. You may even buy something from him. Buy would you call him a designer? Definitely not. Anyone with the resources to create a product (in his case, a sewing machine and someone who can work it, in SLs case, a computer and someone who can work it) can carbon copy a design from someone else. I'm sorry, but that does not make them a designer. Having the skills to create a product does not mean you have the vision to create something unique. And it seems these girls do not have that vision. I don’t really care if they are breaking the law or not by recreating someone else’s design. The chances of any of the big name designers they’ve ripped off caring one bit is nil.
However, much like the guy selling knock off purses out of the back of his car, It did take some skill to manufacture the bags, you may not care that he is doing it. You may even buy something from him. Buy would you call him a designer? Definitely not. Anyone with the resources to create a product (in his case, a sewing machine and someone who can work it, in SLs case, a computer and someone who can work it) can carbon copy a design from someone else. I’m sorry, but that does not make them a designer. Having the skills to create a product does not mean you have the vision to create something unique. And it seems these girls do not have that vision.

]]> By: Lucas Lameth http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-11400 Lucas Lameth Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:40:21 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-11400 Paper Couture's hand drawn quality, unmatched skill in execution, humour, wit and yes...design is what sets them apart. They are the best at producing runway quality fashion content. Its unfortunate this isolated exposure has caused them many critiques and at the end of the day you either love Paper Couture or you dont, youre either wearing Paper Couture or youre not. It's ironic you dont see content creators like hair or pose makers needling each other like this. PC made a replica dress of Christian Lacroix, and probably another design you find on the internet... so another designers photo sourced outfit looks quite familiar, etc. Let it go . . . No one is here to impress anyone with their mild opinions or knowledge of the law where ever you're from. We have enough of that mish mash in First Life. We're here to have fun and a good time and look good in the meanwhile. Wearing a $4000 USD fashion dress or what have you most of us can only don in 2nd Life. Paper Couture’s hand drawn quality, unmatched skill in execution, humour, wit and yes…design is what sets them apart. They are the best at producing runway quality fashion content. Its unfortunate this isolated exposure has caused them many critiques and at the end of the day you either love Paper Couture or you dont, youre either wearing Paper Couture or youre not.

It’s ironic you dont see content creators like hair or pose makers needling each other like this. PC made a replica dress of Christian Lacroix, and probably another design you find on the internet… so another designers photo sourced outfit looks quite familiar, etc. Let it go . . .

No one is here to impress anyone with their mild opinions or knowledge of the law where ever you’re from. We have enough of that mish mash in First Life.

We’re here to have fun and a good time and look good in the meanwhile. Wearing a $4000 USD fashion dress or what have you most of us can only don in 2nd Life.

]]> By: Me http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-11386 Me Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:13:15 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-11386 I agree it's disappointing that a group of designers or alts of designers brag and boast of their creativity and originality, in comparison to other designers when they really aren't. I guess they are just skilled artists, painters, builders, etc. Nothing wrong with that though, just disappointing. I agree it’s disappointing that a group of designers or alts of designers brag and boast of their creativity and originality, in comparison to other designers when they really aren’t. I guess they are just skilled artists, painters, builders, etc. Nothing wrong with that though, just disappointing.

]]> By: luth http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-11338 luth Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:34:15 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-11338 Actually what I said was not in error, as I live in the UK. SL is an international venue...it can't be assumed that everyone is covered by US law. The EU design right: "The appearance of a product, in particular, the shape, texture, colour, materials used, contours and ornamentation" "Within the European Community, unregistered design rights lasts for 3 years from the point the design is first disclosed or made available to the public in some manner." Registered: 25 years protection and lots of paperwork. Unregistered: 3 years of protection and automatically when first releasing the design. http://copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p15_design_rights Further clarification that this includes fashion: http://www.inteletex.com/FeatureDetail.asp?NewsId=628 Be that as it may, the issues I have are more the subjective side in it being wrong to say that a "designer" copying RL designs is the same as a designer using SL as a platform for original designs. Credit should go where credit is due. Actually what I said was not in error, as I live in the UK. SL is an international venue…it can’t be assumed that everyone is covered by US law.

The EU design right:

“The appearance of a product, in particular, the shape, texture, colour, materials used, contours and ornamentation”

“Within the European Community, unregistered design rights lasts for 3 years from the point the design is first disclosed or made available to the public in some manner.”

Registered: 25 years protection and lots of paperwork. Unregistered: 3 years of protection and automatically when first releasing the design.

http://copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p15_design_rights

Further clarification that this includes fashion:
http://www.inteletex.com/FeatureDetail.asp?NewsId=628

Be that as it may, the issues I have are more the subjective side in it being wrong to say that a “designer” copying RL designs is the same as a designer using SL as a platform for original designs. Credit should go where credit is due.

]]> By: caLLie cLine http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html/comment-page-1#comment-11326 caLLie cLine Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:30:54 +0000 http://blog.secondstyle.com/2007/02/risen-from-the-ashes.html#comment-11326 thank you charron!!! so many myths get tossed about in all realms of IP, copyright, (and it’s registration, which are 2 very different issues), trademarks and such.

i’m very happy you shared all this with us!

respectfully,

caLLie cLine ™ (haha)

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